More Than A Parent E003: The Concept of Multiple Returns w/ Angela Matthews

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Meet Angela!

Angela Matthew is a DIY investment coach, teaching individuals how to master the stock market. She has taught individuals from all walks of life how to grow their personal wealth and portfolios. She’s been investing personally for more than ten years, and through her investments, she’s been able to travel all over the world (35+ countries) take care of her parents, pay for her wedding, and buy her home. She wants others to be able to do the same and more.

Angela and her daughter, Lea.
(Lea is my daughter, Skylyn’s best friend since they were born.)

In this episode…

>> I share how Angela’s friendship was one of my inspirations to start this podcast and community (it doesn’t just take a village to raise a baby! It takes a village to make you feel like your mostly-normal (heh) and that you “got this” as you venture the world of parenting and doing “all the things” you choose).

>> We learn about how many times Lea (almost 2 years old) has traveled well over probably what you + I traveled this year!

>> How investing in the stock market for you and your family is one of the best things you can do for your kids and their future kids.

>> Angela’s take on the concept of Multiple Returns. Invest in yourself, in your kids, and the stock market!

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Caz Gaddis:                      00:00                   Welcome to More Than A Parent, a podcast, exploring who we are and what we want outside of being a parent so we can create an integrated lifestyle with impact both in and out of our homes. I’m Caz Gaddis and I invite you to join me to be your more live your and.

Caz Gaddis:                      00:26                   Hey guys, Caz here. Welcome to another episode of More Than A Parent. I am super stoked today to share with you Angela Matthews. She is one of my dearest friends and when I think of what it is to be More Than A Parent, and when I think of my own journey in becoming one myself and becoming that more for myself, I think back to the conversations and the, the times that I’ve spent with Angela, sharing with her what my experience was like, my challenges, my dreams, aspirations, and then doing some of those things and, and sharing what was working, what wasn’t. We also shared a lot of very real [inaudible] infant baby, toddler stories along the way of, of just being all those things and then the life, right? So I am super stoked to bring her today because, um, it all started with conversations like, Oh, like I had with her and feeling like we weren’t having, or I didn’t feel like we were having a lot of those conversations in general.

Caz Gaddis:                      01:25                   And I wanted to have people on the show examples to show what is possible and how people are doing it because we’re all doing it differently. And it may not work for everyone the way it is. Um, but you kind of find little bits and pieces of what’s working for other people to create your own thing. And so I’m excited to bring her on today to share with you what she has been able to create and who she has been able to create herself to be, how she’s serving both in and out of her home and making that impact. Um, so yay. So excited to have her on today. A little bit about Angela. She is a DIY investment coach. She teaches individuals on how to master the stock market. She is taught individuals from all walks of life on how to grow their personal wealth and portfolios.

Caz Gaddis:                      02:11                   Uh, she’s been investing personally for more than 10 years. And through her investments, she’s been able to travel all over the world, over 35 countries. Isn’t that nice. And take care of her parents, pay for her wedding and buy her home. She wants others to be able to do the same and more. So. Without further ado, check out our interview of Angela Matthews.

Caz Gaddis:                      02:35                   Awesome. So I am super excited to have you on today, Angela, because as I mentioned to you before, even, um, getting you scheduled for the show today is, uh, we’ve both been on this parenting journey at very similar times and though each of us has our own kind of, um, experience within it being able to have moms like you to be able to connect with and like, Oh, is this happening to you? Or you were trying to do webinar and what happened with Leah? You know, it’s, it’s, um, it’s, it’s a way to normalize and not normal. And so I just, I really appreciate you as a person and as a fellow, other human that is wanting to make that impact both in and out of their home. Um, and just like all the funny stories that we have in between all that. So, so welcome onto the show.

Angela Matthews:          03:26                   Thank you so much for having me oh man girl. I swear I’m already like getting an ally. It’s the eyelash. Am I am not already tearing up man. Have we been through the ringer? That’d be like your ice sweating right now. Eyelash. But it’s probably a combination of both. As you said. All that. I just thought about like, girl.

Caz Gaddis:                      03:47                   Okay.

Angela Matthews:          03:47                   I can’t even say. You don’t know cause you do.

Caz Gaddis:                      03:50                   Yeah. Yeah. So for those of you that are listening in and are like, Whoa, like what’s going on? So like Angela and I were both pregnant at the same time and we have kiddos that are literally two weeks apart and we’re very good friends and live close to each other. So we have a lot of, uh, parent and business adventures, family adventures together. Yeah. Yeah. And, and with that, that feeling of, of what we had, I, it really is part of what bursts More Than A Parent because some moms, um, don’t have the blessing of having other moms in similar mindsets as far as growing, not just a child, not just birthing a child, but birthing whatever they’re more is. And so I wanted to bring this into fruition so that, um, it normalizes that it is hard and it also shows that it is possible and that is possible for you, for you listening in for you watching this. Um, so we’re just gonna like jump right in and I’m going to ask you, even though I know part of it, but of course you may share in a whole different way, but like what has your journey been like and, and becoming a parent?

Angela Matthews:          05:01                   So becoming a parent was something that I knew that I always wanted to be and would one day happen. I just didn’t think it would happen so soon. I mean, I’m in my thirties, so I really have no, I think rational way to believe this cause I can’t keep going forever without kids. If I sincerely want to naturally birth them. So it was going to happen at some point. But my husband and I had gotten married and within six months of getting married we got pregnant and we were just living with each other for the first time as well. So, you know, unexpected guests was not something that I thought was going to be an hour one bedroom apartment. And so when we did get, uh, pregnant, there were definitely mixed feelings of joy of are we ready and what am I going to be doing with my business and my life?

Angela Matthews:          05:47                   Because I feel as if I just started a chapter, a new chapter of my life, and I kinda thought that marriage, one chapter, uh, children, another career moved here too. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. We moved from New York city to Texas and it’s like, yeah, not a chapter. I didn’t think the chapters could blend into one chapter. I kind of thought it was supposed to be sequential. Yeah. In real life. It’s just not in real life. Yeah. And so that’s how it happened. And how has, that’s funny, how has that transition in becoming a parent? Um, personally I guess, um, shown up for you? Um, yeah. Well for me, I think first being pregnant I think is an amazing experience to, to be right because you’re creator. And I feel as if when, when my daughter was inside of me, I thought, Oh my gosh, I’m not even doing anything and I made a lung today, an eyeball … like Caz and I would joke about this like, so what’d you do today? I don’t know. I just made a lung, you know? And it’s like so cool cause you don’t, I mean, yeah, I’m breathing heavier and those heartburn, but really and truly not what you thought it would involve to do it. So I loved that part about it and I think it was a really great lesson to, to show that like we’re enough, no matter what we do. And I remember moments like that now, even as I, Lee is outside of me and doing her own thing in the world. I mean, she’s only one and a half and you know, so I do my own thing in the world, but I remember those moments where it was like I was prepared. I’m preparing consistently, preparing for something and have been prepared for whatever it is I’m going through right now.

Angela Matthews:          07:24                   And I feel that pregnancy and becoming a parent has taught me that even though I don’t know if I feel this way now that she’s outside of me like that I can handle everything that comes with having a kid. I still don’t know the answer to that. But I suppose if the same logic follows through, I can in theory. And so it’s just been a transition in terms of understanding my power as well as understanding that we have the power to create anything. And I feel that that’s the beautiful part about being a parent, even whether you do it the traditional way or not for no, totally for sure. Um, well and it’s funny too, I think that our kids keep us humble cause like when they’re inside you, like I am creating life, I can create anything. And then they’re here. You’re like, did I even brush my hair today?

Angela Matthews:          08:08                   Like can I brush my teeth? Like you, you know, just, it keeps you very, yeah, it keeps you grounded in a whole different way. Um, so how do you resonate with, um, being a business owner and all the different other hats in addition to being a parent? How do you resonate with what does being More Than A Parent look like for you? So being more than the parent looks like for me being everything I can be to help the world and understanding that my daughter and whomever comes after her is a part of that world. And so what I’ve found is that when I try to segment the two saying, yes, this is my baby and this is not my baby, or these are these people and these people I get really scattered. And then I think that I’m lacking in one area or the other because my business was actually my first, that was the first thing that I conceived of, had an idea conception and burst into the world.

Angela Matthews:          09:03                   And so it’s really interesting where it’s like you’ve got this one baby, which is this business and you’ve got this other baby, which is like a real life human being and you both have missions in the world for these two entities. And so honoring the fact that I get to the I a mother to the earth and that includes my daughter, sorry, my hormones. I like being slowly hijacked as Caz raises her baby. Oh a hard time talking right now cause I’m like there’s a baby in his cuing and his hands so soft and so simple and I just kinda wanna smell them in this weird way, but

Caz Gaddis:                      09:39                   I’m like, I’m distracting her and I’m like, I can cut out the padding. This is okay. See this is like so in the moment,

Angela Matthews:          09:45                   no, it’s okay. This is good. This is good. This is good. My husband appreciates you. He wants to have another baby and this is making me think like, Oh baby for everyone needing a little bit of mom notice right now. Actually cuteness on everybody here. But yeah, the key, you got to check the show notes if you’re a, actually, I’m only listening to this. Yeah, this baby has the most precious here. I mean he’s gonna I don’t know if he wants to be a problem later for women, but I don’t know. He’s going to cause some drama. I already know it. I’m sorry. Quest and you will, you will handle it. Anyway.

Caz Gaddis:                      10:24                   We digress. And I’m like mom, brain. Cause I’m like, yeah. And so if you’re a new mom, um, mommy brain doesn’t leave you once a kid comes out, Oh it gets worse. I didn’t even think it would happen to me cause I, my brain was already bad before having kids and then it’s like twice in and it’s like, yeah, I just surrendered. I hear fish oil helps with that really, that supposedly there’s another supplement I’ll put in the show notes that, um, I forget the name of again. So, yeah, yeah, I’ll put it in the show notes. But it’s supposed to be helping for brain development, not just for them when you, when they’re in you, but also for you after. So or for you if you breastfeed and stuff.

Angela Matthews:          11:02                   Oh, that sounds awesome. I think I answered the question though.

Caz Gaddis:                      11:08                   You know, the, the most thing about this is that we can go back and listen. But, um, no, so you were, you were talking about the being More Than A Parent. Oh, you were talking about, um,

Angela Matthews:          11:17                   making the impact [inaudible] entities and not separating and knowing that my impact I impact just as I’m impacting the world, I’m impacting Leah and as I’m impacting Leah, I’m also impacting the world. Yeah. A friend that I didn’t get to to, as long as she’s a, a responsible, happy human being that brings love, joy and light into the world, then it’s okay if I don’t want to do business for a month or however long and focus on her because I’m still serving with purpose, which is to bring beautiful moments.

Caz Gaddis:                      11:48                   Totally. I love that. Well, and also too, like you as a wife and like all the travel that you do together, you and Jerome and such. So yeah, there’s like all these different entities. I’m, that’s actually a thing. Um, when I was at a comment as you were saying that is that the other day I have like this five to six foot dry erase board that’s on wheels. Angela. You’ve seen it every time you come over. Cause I keep it in my living room. Um, it’s like this permanent fixture that’s totally not living your mask but it is in our house. Um, but anyway, so I was brainstorming some stuff on there for, for something later on this year. And um, I took a picture cause I had a quest in the momma room and then I had a sky in her little play space locked up.

Caz Gaddis:                      12:27                   But then, you know, she was, if you guys do the show notes, you guys will see she’s okay. And it’s like totally not a thing. You have to call any of the, I almost said SPCA, but that’s for dogs and CPS. There you go. You don’t have to, cause you got dogs, you got kids. I mean really I’m player. They can call any one of them if somebody and make a change, you know, there’s, there’s no calls needing to be made. Um, I took that picture [inaudible] the picture. I had the bulletin board, the dry erase board and the two kids. And I was like, Oh, all three of my kids on this picture and I’m happy you said what you said, because I think a lot of times, um, those of us listening and watching this later, sometimes people don’t understand that it’s not just the kids you have, right.

Caz Gaddis:                      13:06                   There’s this life that wants to be burst through you and wants to be lifted at you. There’s this message, this story, this business, this cause, whatever that more is for you. It’s not always about being an entrepreneur or a, the career you have. I mean, being at home and volunteering somewhere or starting your own nonprofit, the point is whatever it is for you, it is also being burst, um, through you, just like your kids were. Um, and again, if you had kids a different way, it all counts and it’s all the same, but it’s just about that creation and that choice of life. So, um, so yeah, so I’m happy you said that because I felt the same and I’m like, I wonder if that would offend some people. It’s just like how I, I’m before kids and still, I a lot of times compared dogs to add to kids and there’s so many similarities.

Caz Gaddis:                      13:52                   Like I do not regret it, but I’m just saying. So anyway, moving forward with you. Does that, to share that? Um, so how, especially with, okay guys. So Angela travels so very much. Um, how would you describe how much you travel? My daughter, Leah, is not even two years old yet and she’s been on over 47 flights. Wow. So, yeah. Yeah. And the first year I really thought that I was like, you know, giving your run for your money. Cause I think at the time, yes, guy had like 14 or like 15 flights and I’m like, Oh, we’re at the same. And then you just like, yeah, you just went off, you took off literally like a jet. Um, but so yeah, so they’ve, you guys have traveled so much and there’s so many different, um, other factors that go into when you travel as a parent, whether or not they’re with you, um, as a spouse and then just as a business owner. So how do you integrate all the things that is part of your life and part of who you are.

Angela Matthews:          14:52                   So it gets a little bit complicated and this is where support really plays a huge role. So we live in Dallas and our family lives up North, so we don’t really have, we have calves here and her husband and their, there are legit family here. Um, so I would never say we don’t have family here, they are legit family here. But like our mom, shout out to your mom, I love your mom, I love my mom to our moms and cousins. All those folks that kind of pull in when you’re like, Hey, can you just hop on by and babysit our kid? Or can we drop the kid off? No notice who are like, yeah, bring them. We don’t really have that here. And so, and on top of that I travel, I travel to speak, I travel conferences, I teach people how to invest in the stock market so we have meetups or I’m on a radio show and it’s always, who can I find to leave my child with that I actually trust.

Angela Matthews:          15:43                   So when I had my first speaking engagement after Leah, I was breastfeeding at the time still, I think she was about five and a half months or so and I was going to go speak at this really big conference and I was like, so I can’t leave her with her dad. I actually have to bring her. But then I have to be at the conference and speaking, but I don’t know anyone to trust. And so my mom actually took off of work the to Orlando just from New York? Yeah, from New York. Flew to Orlando, sustain a hotel room so that she can watch my daughter. And in between sessions guys, I would literally run up the elevator, breastfeed, give her a hugs, like quell my hormones and then run back down and just act like there is not really a baby, a couple floors up that needs like


and I’m lactating and my boobs hurt because like this is so not the breastfeeding schedule that we’re accustomed to.

Angela Matthews:          16:35                   And so all this to say is that you have to get creative with it. It’s not super easy. Um, figuring out the travel, but sometimes they come, sometimes my husband comes with me, sometimes I go with my husband. He travels a lot, really demanding job and sometimes we’re like, you know, at least in flies free and we have the whole flight game. So down pack we like the second we got on a plane, first of all Leah knows like she’s walking down the aisle now because her legs when I carry her start hitting people in the head. So she walks down the aisle we get. So I see it’s almost always a window seat cause he get a little bit more room. We take out the disinfecting wipes and we like wipe all over the windows, the little knobs, you should totally wipe that air vent.

Angela Matthews:          17:17                   They never cleaned the air vent. It’s disgusting. And then I even wipe the magazines cause they never touched the magazines. Yeah they don’t. Yeah. Nope. And kids go straight for the magazines. Right. So the screens or the screen. So do all that. The antidote, the see everything and the person next to me, even though we may not even be fine together. Wait, you wipe the person next to you? I wiped their seat cause you said even the person that I was like wait, yeah I do all their seats too cause she, she just touches everything and then everything’s her space and then you just make it work and I try it to make her feel loved every single step of the way. And we have our books and cash just gave us the iPad, which is, Oh my gosh, she’s sleeping even through all this noise.

Angela Matthews:          18:01                   So talking. Yeah, it’s a way she’s like, he’s just like, okay go ahead. Sorry. You have to see, I don’t know if in the future how many times you all will be able to see baby quest and the videos with [inaudible] in this podcast. So definitely wrap it up. Cause screenshot, it’s, it’s awesome. Yeah. So yeah. Anyway, that’s how we do it. Um, and it may not be convenient again, but you make it work. I just went away for 10 days in Bali to Bali and I didn’t have my husband or my baby and that was the longest I’ve ever been away. It was absolute freedom because I got to exist like just as a person. Yeah. So again, I had to pay it, I had to pay for that back. You know, like I’ve been doing laundry and dinner for like God weeks since I’ve been back and I haven’t complained.

Angela Matthews:          18:45                   Not once. That’s hard for me because as my husband says, I’m never happy. I have been happy. I at least, and I love post is happy investor message. I do like I had been happy. I have been trying and I have not even been, I’ve been happy cause I remember the blessing. Yeah. Well. And with that being said, with your time in Bali, like you know, I’m joking and saying freedom and it really was, I’m sure, but did you experience any mom guilt? And that’s cool if you didn’t, but did you experience anything with like the other hats that you wear here in the parenting piece? So I gave myself permission to release all feelings of guilt, of abandonment of all the future potential issues that this chicken may one day be telling a therapist because I leave so much. I gave myself the permission and I said a lot there.

Angela Matthews:          19:36                   But that’s real though. It’s real. You don’t know like more than my podcast exists. I have issues from when I was little, but go ahead. Yeah, it’s like playing chess like you just don’t know. Or like mine sweet. Like my, you don’t know nobody. Okay. Like the underlying sweep. I will put a screenshot because we know mine’s sweet. But depending on what you were born when you had kids, if it was before us or you know if you were younger than us, yeah. You may not know that, but wait, there’s no more mind. Sweet. Well not everybody knows mine. Sweet cause that’s gained from back when it is a game back in computers and when we have internet anyway moved forward and it really knows how to play mine. Sweet by the way. It’s like you somewhat win but then you always lose it. There’s not, or maybe that was just me.

Angela Matthews:          20:18                   But anyway, go ahead. It’s kinda like parenting. You really don’t know what you’re doing and you feel like you do and then you hit a bomb and you’re like, Whoa, yeah then you, we’ll come alive again and you keep going. Yeah. So in this sense too and entrepreneurship and even if you’re working a nine to five job, I’m sure there’s times you think you know what you’re doing or at least people think you do and you probably don’t. But it’s okay. And so, yeah. So all this to say with Bali I released those feelings and I really gave myself permission to be there cause I a whole lot of money to be there. And there was no point in me thinking the same things. I think at home, hundreds of miles away. And I think because we were in different time zones, even though I really missed her, I had to contain it because there was nothing I could do, even if I missed her. And I really wanted to call her and step away from the experience she was sleeping.

Caz Gaddis:                      21:05                   Yeah. Which is a blessing in itself in those moments too when you’re in that. Um, so for someone listening in, it’s like, wow, like how does she give herself permission? Like what did you, um, was there anything specific you told yourself or that you did in order to have that, um, that premonition to truly just be, because I’m like I mentioned in the PO, in the podcast, being a present parent and living your more and such, but that looks different for everyone. And being present doesn’t mean like you’re in their face like this. Like, you know, um, just face to face all the time and um, it’s being present when you’re there. Right. And when you, when you choose in certain levels. Um, so yeah. So what did you say to yourself, um, to be able to do that? Like, is there anything you can share that could help me?

Angela Matthews:          21:47                   Yeah. So I’m, I understand the concept of um, multiple returns, right? Because I teach folks how to invest my own investments. So I get the idea of putting something in and then getting multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple iterations of it like ripples and I to detach specifically for this trip, I knew that I was at a point where I felt like I was almost losing my essence, like the essence of Angela and [inaudible]. I just knew that if I was going to be any good to anyone, daughter, husband, clients, I needed to step away from the game for a little bit. I needed to, I needed subject. And so that’s kind of what Bali did for me. Yeah. And that trumps all of the feelings and emotions. Cause usually it would go like, Oh, you know, we left them, did we do the right thing? And then it’s no, in my head it was a complete reframe of I left them because I need to do the right thing.

Angela Matthews:          22:46                   Mm. And so that’s what really helped me break away and, and give me the space to do it. Cause I realized it just, I needed to take a break, I needed to see what the heck was going on. And sometimes you can’t see it when you are with your kids and for you it may not be a trip to Bali for you. If you’re listening, it might be a trip to Starbucks and like it might be a trip to like the Asian spot down the road that does, you know, like a foot massage for $20. Just a moment to take a break and just be alone to see what’s even there.

Caz Gaddis:                      23:21                   Yeah. Yeah. And I know I’ve talked to a lot of moms and sometimes they’re so tired that they’re just like, I just want to go somewhere and just do nothing. I’m an honoring space to do that. And also having space to have these types of, um, conversations with yourself or just downtime where all that stuff is kind of ruminating and subconsciously happening anyway. Yeah, just like taking time for self for sure. So with, uh, have a little dinosaur over here with the meshing of all the things professionally, personally and parenting Lee, I guess in the sense, um, what’s been your biggest aha moment besides what you just shared? Cause I mean that’s a huge aha in the having the multiple returns on, on just taking time for you. But is there anything else that sticks out to you?

Angela Matthews:          24:08                   The previous me may never ever come back. So that was a really big aha for me. I feel like there was Angela 1.0 single like, you know, coming of age, figuring out my identity, single loving life, Angela 2.0 making money, found love married. And then there’s Angela 3.0 which is like, Oh you have a kid and like you have a husband too. And we’re doing this evolution thing where we’re making another generation and I’m at the same time I remember thinking, why am I not as selfish as I used to be? Like, why don’t I care about me as much as I used to care about me and my impact and my this. And I almost feel as if I had to realize that that part of me may never come back. That part of Angela that had tons of energy may never come back.

Angela Matthews:          25:00                   And part of Angela, that kid literally work for hours and pull to double all nighters to get a website done and do all that stuff. She may never come back. And I think what hurt me the most is not that she may never come back, but I didn’t know that I had to say goodbye. [inaudible] and um, I almost feel like there is a grieving process that new parents aren’t aware that they may have. Totally. And when I realized that I then was able, and I’m still giving myself the permission to grieve that. And that’s a grieving assassins, you know, it’s almost like a Phoenix, right, or a butterfly who’s coming out of a cocoon. It’s, it’s all of that. But I’m sure the butterfly feels a type of way as well. I’m sure the Caterpillar feels a type of way as well, even though he’s coming out very beautiful on the other side. So that was a really big aha of me. It’s like, it’s okay to grieve Angela 2.0

Caz Gaddis:                      25:59                   that’s beautiful. And it’s um, it’s so real too because it’s a becoming and it’s an unbecoming, you know when you have a, I almost said a dog. Oh my gosh. I’m like so into it and I’m like, why did I just say dog? But you already already prefaced the conversation like a couple of minutes ago. Like they’re the same and your boat on 11 very similar but not very the same. So it was okay. Okay, we’re good. So going back into the space, like we were just in, I’m like, we were in flow and it was like feeling so, and then I’m like, okay, I’m going to back. So anyway, so, um, there’s an unbecoming of becoming. And so like when you become a parent, you’re not always asked, how are you doing? They ask, Oh, how’s the baby? Right. So that’s like one thing. It’s like you’re not necessarily being acknowledged always maybe by in general society or your people aren’t just necessarily taught to think that to even ask how are you doing besides the the pregnancy getting over and healing and all that kind of stuff.

Caz Gaddis:                      26:56                   If you, if you went that route. Um, but then there’s also a becoming a parent and, and re figuring out, really creating actually, um, what that identity is, but then there’s an unbecoming of who you were and a new becoming of who you were outside of the parenting piece. And you said it so beautifully about the, yeah. Like not even knowing that you’re going to say, because even if you hear this and you’re not a parent you’re expecting or you’re thinking of one day becoming a parent or you’re going to become a parent of more than one child, there is always a new essence, a new self that emerges from all of this. And you don’t always know what parts you’re going to need to grieve. Right. And, and grieving. It’s also, um, depending on the cultures. If you were going, going way deep now.

Caz Gaddis:                      27:44                   Um, but depending on the way down. So depending on the culture, like the grieving is not always, like you were saying Angela, it’s not always a negative thing, but it’s like a, a reminiscing of what was, and then there becomes like this kind of joy, right? Like when you are able to be like, Oh, remember that time I cranked out 30 page essay and like, I ha, you know, whatever. And like you have all these adventures that you’re able to reminisce back on, but you’re right. It’s like you’re at a new place. So that’s beautiful that you, um, shared that with us. I think you,

Angela Matthews:          28:14                   you’re welcome. And maybe we don’t need it to be honest. Maybe I don’t need to spend two nights working on a website because I don’t need to spend two nights to work on a website. Like maybe there’s a better way to get it done now where I can include other people to help me with it. Or I can just learn other skillsets or maybe I don’t even need it at all.

Caz Gaddis:                      28:35                   That’s beautiful. And it’s asking yourself, um, like, what’s the opportunity here?


like, what’s another way to look at it? And, um, another question I ask myself often with kids and before kids even is, uh, what’s the next best thing? You know? And how will that, yeah, how will that look? Great question. What’s the next best thing? I literally mom brain, seriously, that’s my GoTo question cause I’m like, what was I going to do? And I’m like, why did I come into the kitchen? I don’t know. What’s the next best thing? I like do something else in the kitchen. And so like, yeah, when I clean it’s like frenzy mode. It just goes everywhere. So you’re welcome for that. But thank you though for sharing that. Um, so with the way that you’re making an impact, I think this is such a powerful thing to, to really chat about is um, investing, right?

Caz Gaddis:                      29:24                   Um, especially in how you teach it. Because as moms, like with, um, if we were working for a company and we had some maternity leave slash short term disability, it’s really not that much. And at the timing of it, like I have my own horror stories about that. But, um, as moms think that we’re not always positioned financially in a place that really honors where we are and where we need to be in that season and sometimes can take away from the piece. Right and from the being present. Um, so when you’re, you know, teaching people in general to invest, um, especially when I think of moms that are going to be listening to this, um, there’s just such an opportunity to, what did you call it before the multiple return thing? There’s so many. Yeah. There’s so many different multiple returns that comes from investing when you’re a parent that are way beyond finance and security. Um, so anyway, tell us a little bit more about how you show up and how you’re making your impact with that. Um, yeah.

Angela Matthews:          30:24                   Yeah. Well, I like to think that for my students and clients and whoever hears my voice in regards to investing, that I’m taking pressure off of your brain so that you can put something else there that’s more worthy of that space. And so whether you realize it or not in the back somewhere is the fact that you are thinking about money. You’re thinking about how can I make my money last? Is my money enough? What if the money stops coming? Right? These are three questions that I feel kind of in the background somewhere. It does it. And the reason why is because we operate on money. It’s not something that, it’s not something that you know is like this. The thing that doesn’t have an impact, it has a huge impact and not that it’s necessarily going to make you happy, but it can definitely be the vehicle to whatever it is that can make you happy.

Angela Matthews:          31:12                   Right? And so it’s really important, um, to talk about it, which I don’t think we do enough. And so, I mean, I’m so passionate about this that even my daughter has an investment account, right? Lee already has an investment account and that’s really inspiring to me because there’s so many people in this country who don’t even have investment accounts. And for her to not even be too yet and to its own stock. To me that I’m already setting her up energetically to receive more. Right. You know, I didn’t start investing until I was in somebody’s twenties and my parents didn’t do it either. My dad even worked for a bank and he still didn’t invest in the stock market. And so when I think about, well what happens when we pass away? Like my father passed away and I’m thinking like what if someone taught him while he was in this bank, how to invest?

Angela Matthews:          31:59                   My life would look really different right now. I wouldn’t have had to pay for college, I wouldn’t have had to pay for our wedding. You know, I’d probably be in a different house or maybe it would’ve had a house sooner. Who knows? I don’t know. Maybe I wouldn’t force it. Take a job that I didn’t want to take cause I had money to, to explore. And so when I think about that and I think about, well my children, my daughter, but in a piece such a beautiful gift to give them those options and that’s what investing to me does. It’s like I’m going to invest in a company where I know there’s a really good chance that you’ll be around here longer than me and that doesn’t really make me afraid because that makes know that someone is going to be taking care of what’s mine when I’m no longer here to do it. And that’s why I love investing and that’s why I’m so passionate about teaching it, especially in a parents cause I know that we want to give our kids swimming lessons and drum lessons and gymnastics and I can go on a whole nother tangent with these fricking extra activities that I never had when I was growing up. That’s fine. And nice people out here trying to make me spend on rent money on fricking activities. I’m not going to go into it. I just did, but I’m going to stop anyway.

Angela Matthews:          33:09                   I got you. [inaudible] happens when you go to [inaudible] places. You’re like, dude, like, well it was your kidding. Nothing. Go to the park anyway. What if I took that money? That could have been for gymnastics and purchased a share of Apple? Hmm. What if I took that money too? Which I was going to buy that really nice pair of Nike’s and bought a share Nike, you know, starting to think that way. Which one’s gonna last longer? Yeah, the Nike share or the shoe Nike. Which one’s going to last longer? The gymnastic class that she probably won’t even ever remember and will still probably be awkward as hell. Cause I’m awkward as hell and that’s just genetics.

Caz Gaddis:                      33:47                   See you guys. She’s not lying. Angela can be slightly off

Angela Matthews:          33:50                   when it goes to movement. I’m a black person that can’t dance. It’s weird. So how do we get back from that? Like there’s no real, yeah, like I’m saying, I mean just think about what if you can start thinking about what can you leave behind for your kids even when you’re here so that you’re really impacting so many generations. Like imagine Leah has, our account is already set up. You know what Lee is going to do when she gets a baby, she’s going to already have an investment account for them because she knows this is what we do. Yeah. And so, I mean all this to say is we love providing for our kids, but let’s think about how we can provide for them and many more ways than we already do right now. Yeah. That already grows for itself. Like when you purchase a stock, chances are you just going to leave it there and it does all the hard work for you. It’s not like you, I don’t have to take a kid to like a practice. I don’t have to really into this example. I’m sorry. I, okay. I stop really feeling right now. If you have your kids in these wonderful activities, bless your heart, it brings a wonderful smile on their face and I’m sure it lights you up and that’s totally worth it. But you better buy them some stock too.

Caz Gaddis:                      35:08                   I’m like, cause you’ve taken her to swim lessons. I haven’t done anything yet. So future. I say this as a person who’s done this stuff. [inaudible] I know. That’s where I’m like, this is hilarious. Well, and just to finish the thought about the whole dancing piece, it’s like, cause I know you do Zoomba and I’m Hispanic and I love dancing. But when I’m in Zoomba it looks like I have two left feet. Like I don’t understand what happens between the mirror, the person in front of me and my lack of ability to mimic either they’re just like ignore them. Like just so yes, I got you. I got it.

Angela Matthews:          35:39                   I do take Zoomba and I love it and I just, it was about surrendering to the point of, you know what? Maybe we can dance and that’s okay. That’s not my problem. It’s the problem of the person next to me is the problem. The person in back backing me, following me thinking that they can actually learn from me cause I’m black and I shouldn’t her in today, you gotta learn today we all can’t do it. But now I’m actually really, really good until she puts it on. Well, yeah, I mean you get good at something.

Caz Gaddis:                      36:08                   Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Angela Matthews:          36:09                   Twice a week for six months, the same songs. You figure it out

Caz Gaddis:                      36:14                   and then they switched it up on you and you’re like, ah, here we go again. Why you do this to me? I know why. That’s hilarious. So, okay, so back to the investment piece and, and kind of like the dancing of the rhythmic flow of, of investing. See how I tried to tie it back in there. And so what would you tell a mom who has never invested before and it’s just like, it just feels so foreign. It feels I’m so wall street and just to think of, and the average, an average quote unquote right. Cause none of us are average were all amazing darling, darling. So anyway, so for that mom though, like yeah, I was trying to moving boy. So for that mom, what would you tell her are like the first, first thing to do to be able, besides obviously connecting with you and like just learning from all the things that you have available, what would you tell them that first step would be?

Angela Matthews:          37:04                   So I think the first step is his mindset, right? It’s the choice. We all have a choice. You make a choice to get up out of your bed, all that stuff. And so it’s making the choice to decide like, I’m gonna do this. Once you make the choice to finally say I’m going to do this, everything else follows. It’s the before we make the decision to do it, that all the hard work is, right? Cause you’re like, should I make this decision? Should I not? Should I do it? Should I not? But once you say, I’m gonna do it, everything else follows. And so just like how you were like, I’m gonna pop this baby out because it needs to come out. You’re going to do it right. You’re going to decide to do it. Just as if maybe if you adopted a kid and you went to go pick the kid up, you’re doing it right.

Angela Matthews:          37:44                   You made a choice. Same thing goes with investing. And so what I want to say to you is just decide that I want to do this. And then like when you make a decision that you want to do something, all the answers start coming. Like when you say you want to get a certain kind of car, then all of a sudden you start seeing it, there’s a pituitary gland in the back here of our head. And what it does is it remembers the things that we actually say, right? And then once we say it, it tries to always connect dots. And so the second it sees it, it’s going to say, Hey, there it goes. Hey there it goes because you actually said it, but it won’t connect anything unless you make a decision for it to like actually do something. So I’ll make a decision to invest.

Angela Matthews:          38:20                   Chances are if you are a woman, statistically you are better at investing than men of faculty. I rarely tell women. Yeah, yeah, our investments do better than men. Um, and that’s because we understand people more. So more or less we give them an a second chance. And so if an investment doesn’t do well in the beginning, a guy is usually like cut you at my life and like you’re done. And the woman’s like, wait, wait, wait. Maybe it’ll come back up. Let’s give it a chance. Let’s see what happens. Yes. And that’s [inaudible] companies and stocks. They’re run by people. It’s like someone Monday might invest in me in my business, but they’re investing in me. You know, when someone invests in, in Google or an Amazon or Nike, you’re investing in the leadership of that company. You don’t care about what they actually do. You’re trusting the leaders.

Angela Matthews:          39:08                   And so you have to have grace with them as you would with any person. And you also have to have sense to know when it’s just not gonna work out. So all this to say is figure out that you actually want to do it. And then you can do some basic stuff, right? You can get free accounts. It doesn’t cost to trade. And so instead of going out to dinner with Bay, maybe you think, you know what, I’m just going to take this $40 and I’m just going to buy a stock of like bank of America. And so it doesn’t cost a trade anymore. It used to cost like $10 now it’s free. And so really just, just dip a toe and of course have guidance. So if you really don’t know what to do, check out my website. I have tons of goodies and, and freebies to get you familiar with it to start talking about it. But it’s worth the discomfort. It will be uncomfortable because you don’t know it. Right. Just like parenting, we don’t know what the hell we’re doing. I was just about to say, I still don’t know. My kids were so young in it. This was probably folks who’ve had kids longer than us who are like you young. It’s like, I don’t know. I’ve heard it

Caz Gaddis:                      40:06                   some that are like, I still don’t know how they survived.

Angela Matthews:          40:09                   This is true too. So yeah, you can do it. Just get comfortable with the discomfort and like everything, it’s gonna get better with practice. Like my Zumba.

Caz Gaddis:                      40:18                   Yeah, no that’s [inaudible] I love how you went back there cause that can’t be what I say. Cause my zoom is still not, I got some cool Zoomba shoes though. Like no joke. The shoes girl. Okay. So just for everyone out there, there are Zoomba shoes, you can get them on Amazon. They’re like 70 bucks. I bought them right before I got pregnant again. I never used them yet, but I will now. They should still be good cause

Angela Matthews:          40:41                   nine, seven, nine, eight. I was a seven and a half. Then I had that kid and my


, nobody tells me that part either.

Caz Gaddis:                      40:49                   They don’t tell you you’re releasing and taking on so many different things. But anyway, I got some issues. I’m committing. I’m recommitting soon to doing Zoomba. Just not right now, the soon. So maybe I can tell you one day, uh, that I, you know, can someone do it? Um, so, but okay. So with all the things you said about investing, and I love that you were able to get this also started for Leah and kind of starting a new family tradition in a sense, a culture as of wealth mindset, which is super freaking full. And uh, you know, both of my parents are entrepreneurs. They never taught me about budgeting, about wealth management, any of that. And so, um, you know, there’s, there’s a lot there that I think of, man, how could I have been set up differently, right? Like you were talking about that too.

Caz Gaddis:                      41:32                   Um, and it’s like what can we do now as this generation with the generation that we are creating and how will that impact not just our kids but that generation moving forward? Like I just got like goosebumps thinking of that. Um, because even these conversations about being a parent and I’m talking about how hard it is and like it is going to be hard. Like it’s not like a negative thing. It’s like that’s just what it is. It’s a challenge and it’s how do you rise and to meet that we weren’t having those conversations, you know, a decade or two ago. And if we did, I obviously wasn’t a parent, so I don’t know. But no, for real though, we weren’t having the, the consciousness question, um, conversations or just like the, the reality of it, we were just like, Oh, parenting and this is what we did for my child and there’s so much more to go deeper on.

Caz Gaddis:                      42:16                   So that’s really powerful in that vein with Leah, um, being almost two and like they’re just mega observers. Um, as they’re observing who you’re being and what it is that you’re doing in the world, what would you want her to be able to say about you as a person? Um, and, and what you’re doing as that person, um, you know, a year or two from now, what would you want her to be able to, or even further than that, cause I know that they’re gonna still be kinda young, but what would you want Leah to be able to say about who you’re being now in the future?

Angela Matthews:          42:48                   I would love her to say she did it. She’s doing it and whatever it is, it’s just something for the better of the world. Something for the better of, of her sake. Um, really interesting. My dad, when he put my dad passed away eventually, right? And [inaudible] on his tombstone, he actually has had for where with all to tell, it’s like, this is what I want to be on my tombstone. And his tomb stone says right now in Queens, it says, I tried to where it’s literally I tried and I, so my core believe that he honestly did. He tried to give us a better life. He tried to make us skip people and he really tried. You know, and I suppose, I don’t know, I don’t want to get all cryptic and like what’s on my tombstone, but I dunno. But I do want Leah and my children when they think of me to say she did and, and that’s it. And I did it with love. I did it with grace, I did it with joy and I did it even though I didn’t want to at times.

Caz Gaddis:                      44:00                   I’m sorry we were good. And then like you like, and I didn’t want no, no. And even when I die real, no, I appreciate that. I just

Angela Matthews:          44:07                   cause they’re real, it’s real. Sometimes you wake up and you don’t want to do it. Yeah. And I feel as if right now there might be an energy of like, Oh well we have to be in flow or it has to align and it has to do this. And that’s just not true for success. People say it and I hate it how fricking catchy it is. But you have to get comfortable with discomfort. Yeah. And sometimes it’s not gonna feel good. When I first started doing webinars and only 50 people were there, I literally would throw up and poop before it didn’t feel good. I would literally throw up like it, it, it really made me feel so uncomfortable and now I have webinars and there could be like hundreds of people on there and it feels so natural.

Caz Gaddis:                      44:50                   Yeah. Well, go ahead. Go ahead. I’m sorry. No, yeah, that’s it. Yeah. I was just gonna say that’s awesome too, that, um, it’s all perspective and it’s all definition of the different words or the different things. So like you said, 50 and I’m like, man, that’s great. No, he is hands on, right? Like, you know, like, um, I remember when I was doing a in person, like live meetups, you know, some meetups, I’d have like a whole bunch of people. Um, and then some I have like none, which were not oftentimes or have one or two. But then it’s, it’s very discomforting, very uncomfortable, discomforting. Oh no, that is a word. Anyway, it’s real. And that’s what you were experiencing. You’re experiencing discomfort. It was discomfort. Yeah. Because it just, it, you can make it say so much about you or about what it is that you’re doing.

Caz Gaddis:                      45:35                   And it’s so easy, especially when we’re parents, cause it’s already hard. Right? A, it’s so easy to just be like, you know what, this wasn’t for me. Or maybe this is not my season to do this or you know, maybe I’m not enough. I preach it. There’s so much enoughness challenges already in being a parent. Like today y’all like, okay. So today I’ve recorded a few different podcasts on, you may have heard this on one of the ones before this one, but like today there was so many things that went wrong that could have totally made me be like, you know what, I’m not meant to podcast, especially not video cast as well. Um, with these, these children. Um, but I made it work because at the end of the day, it’s about just showing up and done is better than perfect. And with investing, just get started and, and look at what it can create for your family. Um, cause in my perspective anyway, and I’m Angela, I’m gonna let you talk in a minute again, but no, like I’m like Faya okay. Anyway, so, but in my perspective, um, when you realize the power that you have, the impact that you can make or you start creating that purpose that you want your realize it’s no longer about you, it’s beyond you. It’s beyond our kids if you so choose it to be. And um, yeah, it all starts with the power of choice. Like you were saying. So back to you.

Angela Matthews:          46:55                   Yeah, you’re absolutely right. You’re absolutely right. I mean, I just think it’s amazing that you are doing this in a way where people get to authentically or even if they want to be inauthentic, it doesn’t matter, just present themselves and really think about what it is they’re doing to take a moment and pause. I guess sometimes we’re just so much on autopilot that we don’t even realize to say like stop and assess, stop and assess like, Hey, I haven’t thought about investing in like two years. Or I remember before I had these kids, I was thinking about that all the time that on my vision board and now someone gets to realign and reconnect to it perhaps. Maybe. And I do think there are actually men here listening to fathers. Totally. Yeah, I’ve heard, yeah. Fathers actually telling me about your podcast. So I totally know for sure that there are men who listen and maybe there’s even a, a man who our father who is feeling this way and doesn’t have a space to voice it. Yeah. You know, it’s a voice that there was like to him prior to kids that is literally morning or a hymn that is now protector and father and all this stuff when he was just like a guy.

Caz Gaddis:                      48:03                   Just him. Yeah, no, totally. And that’s actually, so the reason I chose More Than A Parent as a name, and I’m happy you brought this up because I think it’s so important. So you can be a stay at home parent and be either or, right? You can be a mom or dad or you can be a mom and in this day and age you can identify as a dad or whatever the mix is, whatever is going on for you. Um, there, the reason I chose More Than A Parent is because I do want to talk to moms primarily because that’s who I am and that’s what I can relate to and bring people on it and chat about that. And overall moms are having more of these different challenges that we’re addressing, but, but dads have like even more so in a lot of ways in a traditional relationship because then they’re the providers normally.

Caz Gaddis:                      48:43                   So then they’re having to, like, my husband’s going through that right now. He is working so much, he’s a filmmaker, he’s a director of photography. He’s on set almost everyday. And I know when we first had a quest, he was on set straight for the first two weeks, um, after a couple of days of being at home with us. And what that caused was, um, he was able to, you know, provide for us or whatnot, but it was also costing him not being able to focus on his creative areas that he normally was on in his business. Um, his, uh, his own podcast, his own blog. So it’s like you’re still having to say yes to one thing and you’re having to silence or pause temporarily, this other part of you. So it’s very real regardless of, yeah. Regardless if you’re a man or a woman, mom or a dad. Um, so yeah, like, yeah, no, I barely lost my train of thought at the end, so that’s why

Angela Matthews:          49:34                   no, it’s solely, yeah, no, it’s real. And if you happen to be a father listening to this, um, we accept you. We embrace you. Yeah. You’re your, I was gonna say ally, but I’m like, you’re not an ally. You’re in it like you’re like your fear ally. Like we get you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And spouses. It’s okay to feel whatever it is that you’re feeling. Um, like none of us know what we’re doing right now to be quite honest and Frank. They’re responsible and we just have to trust that it’s gonna work out. But yeah, we’re all in this.

Caz Gaddis:                      50:05                   Yeah, we tried to be responsible anyway. At least that’s me, but not totally. So. Okay. So the last question I have for you, um, cause I know you have some other stuff with business and then you have to pick up Leah here in a little bit, is, um, if you could go back in time, um, just when you were first kind of getting or in the midst of getting your groove together around, you know, being a mom, you know, continuing with

Angela Matthews:          50:28                   your entrepreneurship, we’ve had so many conversations around this. If you could go back to that, that you back then, even if it’s at you that was at the park with me that one time, but whoever you, you want to want to be, what would you tell them about, I’m like, what’s my question? What would you tell them? What would you share with them about the journey that they’re on and where they’re at? Where are you? I remember the park. That was not fun. It was okay. It was, um, to give context, we had just, I think, cause I, we took the kids out to um, take walks cause we were inside and it lost our baby weight. And like the part just would give you guys a description of this, the park, um, the sidewalk that you walk on was not enough. It was not wide enough for both of our strollers.

Angela Matthews:          51:17                   So we were like having like real deep life conversations and we had it either one being in front of the other or kind of side by side. It was awkward. Yeah, it was, it was, we tried because at the time I think we hadn’t been out the house like in days spoke to each and spoke to other people besides like this baby that we just had and our husbands at night when they got home. And um, okay. It was really hard I think at that point because the shininess of a new baby I think was starting to wear off for me. Hmm. And for other people too. So not as many people were like calling a checkin and all that stuff. And, um, I remember also having expectations about my body. Like how am I gonna look the way that I want to look like as my husband’s still attracted to me.

Angela Matthews:          52:00                   Um, it was just really, I felt so disempowered in that in that time. And I’m not saying that I don’t still struggle with some of the things that were impacting me at that point, but I definitely remember feeling hopeless. Yeah, definitely remember feeling hopeless and Caz and her fragile state as well. It’s really interesting that even though she might have identified it was personally going through, was personally going through whatever she was going through, she still had like the wherewithal to, to lend a hand. Almost like a, you know, when someone’s like in a hole and someone puts a hand down. Um, and it’s almost like halo goes over their head like because their head is blocking the sun and it looks like a Saint thingy. That’s kind of what Caz was for me that day. And, um, we really talked talk to do a lot of stuff, but it was just kind of giving me the space to say what was happening, things that I secretly thought in my head and I, if I had a time machine to go back to the Angela at that park, I think I just say, who cares in a way.

Caz Gaddis:                      53:05                   Like the thoughts I thought was like, Oh, am I this or am I that? And I know I cared, but I almost want to say like there’s other things to care about and you will rise. I would tell myself that you will rise like a Phoenix in the ashes and um, you’ll thrive again sooner than you realize. That’s what I would’ve told myself. What, I mean, there’s concept of time is word and all, so. Yeah, no, I totally get that. Um, no, and it’s, we were all in similar situations at different parts. Does that make sense? Even though they’re different to ourselves. But, um, you know, I’ve had part conversations with you too where, um, and we, we were trying to mastermind while we were with these kids in strollers and other park walking’s. I’m just trying to figure out like how do we re commit or rebirth our business or burst something new and a new energy to it too while we were, um, also with these babies and just trying to figure out all of life. Um, so that’s beautiful that you um, that shared that because I think too, there’s so many expectations both spoken and unspoken from ourselves, society, our spouses, family, um, about how all of this is supposed to go.

Caz Gaddis:                      54:25                   And the truth is, and, and the beauty of it is no one freaking knows. We’re all doing the best we can with where we’re at. Um, and I love that you said, who cares? Because really it’s just like just, just get through it. Just do what you feel is the best for you and your family and all the other things. Like they’ll resolve themselves in their own way and in time. Absolutely. They will. All those things that you’re going through right now, you just have to trust that just as it got resolved in the past, it is working its way out. Even as we speak. Even as you listen to this, it isn’t working itself out. Yeah. For your good. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Conspiring with you. Yeah. And so I super appreciate your time today. I know we went over, um, a little bit, so I appreciate the extra time with you today and just sharing with us, I really love the power in what you shared about the investing and like it’ll be there longer than than we will be, you know, even if we were to live to be a hundred years old or a little bit more than that, it’s still beyond us and it’s our, our kids, but also could impact their kids and the kids after that, besides just the community in general.

Caz Gaddis:                      55:38                   So that was really powerful for people who want to connect with you more. Obviously I’ll put everything in the show notes, but can you share with us to where they can go to connect with you further?

Angela Matthews:          55:47                   Sure. You can go to Angela E please do not forget the E, they’re about 150 other Angela Matthews in the world. So that one and one of you, there’s only one of me though. You’re so sweet. So that’s how you can go to connect on is I, you’ll find things on how to invest, how to get started. There’s a nice, wonderful copy of a 25 stocks worth $25 or less that are four stars on higher. So investing is truly your jam. Go for it. And also you’ll see on there my random philosophical thoughts on life and deeper thoughts. If you couldn’t figure it out, do here in this podcast, I’m a bit of a Yogi, a philosopher.

Angela Matthews:          56:24                   And so we go deep into stuff like that,

Caz Gaddis:                      56:26                   which I love cause it’s bringing all the dimensions. It’s a holographic investing. Oh, like a chew. Hey. Okay. Okay. So we just did like a little, I did a wiggly thing with my hands. If you can see it was like a, yeah, I don’t know where I was going with it. But anyway, on that note, thank you for being on the show today. I appreciate you. Um, just thank you for who you are in this life, not just for your family, but also for your friends, for me. Um, because this, this mom journey should not, while there’s times we feel alone, even when we’re surrounded by family or our spouses or the kids, cause they’re always there. Um, but it’s not meant to feel like you’re going alone. Mommying parenting alone. You’re, you’re, um, you’re that much better when you have a community. So thank you for being part of my community and thank you for being part of my family. Yeah, likewise. Love you. And anyway, so cool. Thank you all for listening. Thank you for listening to because are a part of our community. We’re growing this. Um, this is not just like a podcast, right? This is so much more and as you hear in the end of the outro here, we have a community and we’re all creating it together. It’s a cocreation so that we have that support. We have sounding boards with one another. We can brainstorm. We can, um, support each other and just go from there. Grow from there, just saying.

Angela Matthews:          57:48                   Yeah, absolutely. And when Caz has a, an a live event, I can’t wait to meet you in person. Really. You get to just throw that out there like this gone throw it out there. You know, why not just putting it out there. Okay. We’ll see. Yeah. Hopefully that’d be awesome to do for sure. Hey, is that going to happen? It’s More Than A Parent friends away on an Island somewhere.

Caz Gaddis:                      58:11                   Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of More Than A Parent to be your more live here and continue the conversation with us and connect at More Than A Parent dot. M N. dot. C O.